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These letters were published in the Islander section of the Times Colonist on Sunday, December 3, 2000 in response to the flurry of coverage we've received on our struggle to keep the Harbour View area accessible to all types of recreation. The first entry deserves inclusion here as the finest example yet of extremist environmental rhetoric. The last letter is a severely watered-down version of what Lori sent to the T-C, to the point where their editing completely altered the meaning of her letter.

Do you want to respond to this? E-mail your opinions to the Victoria Times-Colonist at this address: letters@times-colonist.com

Part of the problem

Sandra Mattia and all other "four-wheelers" should get a life. She offers her health problems as a reason to destroy the environment. This so typical in our society. Yet another case of some individual promoting her/his own selfish interests at the expense of the environment.

Racing around the wilderness producing greenhouse gases, loud and sustained noise and tearing up the forest floor have no place at all on this planet. It is absolutely disgraceful that anyone should be permitted to use carbon-fuel-powered vehicles for "recreation."

Freedom of movement is not the issue here, it is about protecting the environment. Pandering to these idiots is the same as joining them in the destruction of our environment. The time has long past for our governments to take action and to seriously curtail carbon-fuel and noise pollution. I'm not talking about pollution taxes. I'm talking about eliminating the source of the problem.

It is up to every individual, including Sandra Mattia, to protect the Earth from pollution of any kind. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!

David Gwynne, Cedar.


Lots of users

Re: Recent criticism of the use of off-highway vehicles at Harbourview Road in the proposed Sooke Mountain Park area.

As an off-road motorcyclist and active visitor to the area, I am in favour of finding a solution that allows the land to be used by multiple users: horses, 4x4 vehicles, hikers, mountain bikers, motorcyclists.

Many groups, in particular the Island Rock Crawlers, are active in working to keep access to this land open to all potential user groups after it becomes a park. User group stewardship can work, e.g., the Hartland Surplus Lands and mountain bikers who work to keep the trails packed and free of trash.

In any user group there are unfortunately irresponsible people who won't care for the land. Still, the area has been logged twice in the last century and still has paved raod in places. To call these lands pristine or 'recivering from the effects of logging" is specious.

The core user group at Harbourview has a vested interest in keeping the land accessible and well-managed: it's one of the few places we can go to practise our sport. And yes, it is a sport—I challenge anyone who's never tried off-road riding to come out with me and my friends one Sunday and not go home feeling like they've had a workout.

To suggest that OHV users should but their own land is not an appropriate solution: were bicyclists and hikers asked to personally purchase the land for the Galloping Goose? Were dog walkers asked to contribute money to upkeep the "leash free zone" at Beacon Hill Park? Let's work together to find a solution that can accommodate multiple users.

Natalie Crawshaw, Victoria


Sharing the parks

Re: "Four-wheelers protest lack of access to trails," Nov. 26

Bill Turner of the Land Conservancy states two things will happen to the Harbourview Road lands: TLC will buy it and protect it, or it will be subdivided and developed for housing.

Turner and people like him with a narrow view of what is an acceptable form of outdoor recreation know all the right buttons to push. This is nothing more than a threat by the TLC that there are no alternatives. Trees or houses.

These are not public lands ... all usage on the property is in fact trespassing. I understand fully that these are private lands and the stand taken by the present landowner is justified and necessary as a protection from possible litigation.

But the subtle innuendo is that mechanized-user groups and others such as equestrians are nothing more than people who totally disregard private property. This is simply not the case, and on any weekend I can take you to areas on Vancouver Island and show you the cars parked at gated-off private lands of hiker who are off trespassing .... I mean hiking.

Four-wheelers who follow the Tread Lightly code of ethics do not, repeat, do not drive through woods, nor do we drive off roads that are established, the most common charge made by people who don't want anyone but hikers on the land. Unfortunately there are members of our user groups who disregard their Tread Lightly code of ethics on both public lands and in parks.

There is room for all of us in the outdoors. I think if the thousands of people who support protection had access to all the facts on Harbourview, Turner and the TLC would be shocked at how some of these people would share our view of shared and equal access for all.

Rory Brown, Nanaimo.


4WD misinformation

Re: "Four-wheelers protest lack of access to trails," Nov. 26

As the organizer of the Public Access to Public Lands rally and member of the Island Rock Crawlers 4WD Society it is nice to finally get the publicity that our recreation so rightly deserves ("Four-wheelers protest lack of access to trails," Nov. 26).

It is unfortunate, though, that the writer focused on the local issue of the "Harbourview Lands" instead of the bigger issue and reason for the rally, which is the need for the provincial government to recognize the needs of motorized users in the creation of Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) Parks in BC.

Bill Turner, executive director of The Land Conservancy of B.C., is quoted as saying "these are not public lands…they are private". There are no indicators that it is private land; no fences, no gates, no signs and no police charges laid. The majority of users have no idea they are on private property.

These lands are PUBLIC LANDS and have a long-standing history of use such as four-wheeling, hunting, fishing and camping. The government has recognized these traditional uses and continues to permit such activities to occur there.

Turner states; that "driving four wheel drive vehicles does damage and disrupts the wildlife like the Roosevelt elk". Roosevelt elk are not found in the Sooke Hills; the terrain and habitat is not desirable for their population.

And a note for the TLC, if you need some help raising money, perhaps the OHV community can raise it through a provincial levy on OHVs -- providing a park for all to use-not just an elite few who have the physical capability and the moral righteousness.

Lori Hryniuk,
Island Rock Crawlers event co-ordinator
and land use representative,
Sooke..

Now read what Lori really wrote here.

 

The Island Rock Crawlers 4WD Society would like to further clarify our position with regards to motorized access in the Sooke Hills. In the Dec. 3 edition of the Islander a critical sentence was edited out leaving the letter read inaccurately. The IRC would like to make it clear that in the area of the "Harbourview lands" there are several parcels of land held by various owners. The land that the TLC is fundraising to purchase is privately owned. More importantly though is the crown land landlocked by these private lands. The crown land includes Sooke Mountain Provincial Park and seven parcels of provincially allocated recreational reserve lands. These lands are PUBLIC lands and have a long-standing history of use such as 4-wheeling, hunting, fishing and camping. The government has recognized these traditional uses and continues to permit such activities to occur there. The problem lies in that the only road that accesses these public lands crosses through private land which is not gated, fenced or signed. The majority of users have no idea that they are on private property, they are simply using the only road that exists to get to an area that is publicly owned.

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